Bonus Episode: Staying Composed in a Heated Neighbor Encounter

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One link to a link tree in the show notes will get you every link you need to have. I'm doing this bonus episode to tell you a story. Hopefully some young people's listening to this. I use some moments that happened to me as teachable moments and this is one of them. It's about an incident that took place a couple days ago with my neighbor. I should say more of a month ago is when the incident began really.

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and it just boiled over a couple days ago. And then on that, I'm gonna tell you a little bit about my personal testimony, which I have been sharing on other podcasts. And I felt that being that it is down to the end of the season now, I wanted to share a little bit of that with you so you know a little bit more about me and how I tend at my age now to handle things. And you may find some psychic things out about me that you don't know. So let me tell you this story.

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And this also proves that people of any race can be Karens when it benefits them. I know in today's climate, the way everything is going, everybody attributes being a Karen or Ken to a white person. And I've said it before, you can be any race. It can happen. If you feel like being one at that time benefits you, especially if you are thinking about doing something criminal. And in this case.

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my neighbors are Hispanic, Mexican, to be more precise. So let me tell you this story. Let me tell you a little bit about myself during this story and a little bit about my personal testimony. And hope you get a better feel for me and hope some young people is listening so that hopefully you will learn to do the right thing, which I felt I did in this situation. To give you a little bit of backstory.

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You guys know I've been married for 20 years. I've been with my wife for 22 years. The house that we live in is a house that she grew up in as a young child going into, you know, teenage years in high school, and her mom passed away in this house. Her father passed away here, and we inherited this house. So my wife and her family has been on this block about 35 years. In the 22 years that I have been here,

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I have known the whole neighborhood. I can tell you who used to live in what house and who went because some of the same people that my wife grew up with in this house were still here when I came. Unfortunately, some of them have passed away. Others have moved away. So I say all of that to let you know that we are pretty much people that are unto ourselves. We don't really mess with anybody. Nobody on this block really knows us. We don't...

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go out of our way not to be friendly. I mean, there's a lady that walks her dogs by here all the time, we're always waving and saying hi, but we are just people that tend to stick to ourselves. We don't get in anybody's business, we don't get in anybody's mess, we don't have time for that. So I wanna say about maybe 10, 12 years ago, the neighbor who I won't name his name, but if you know me or know where I live, you know exactly who this neighbor is, moved into the block.

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Now when he came, he was single, he came with a dog and he was a nice gentleman. I won't say young man because I know he's younger than I am. I believe he's probably old enough to be my son. Remember that my oldest child is 31 years of age and he's, I think a little bit younger than that. Everything was cool. We all got along. I want to say that he probably smoked too much weed and he was a little bit too loud when he came in.

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But you know, that was him. He didn't mess with anybody. We didn't mess with him. He was respectful at that time. Come to a few years ago, he moves in. Who was his girlfriend who becomes his wife? And this is when the problem begins. Because when she came onto this block, she didn't like my wife or my daughter for whatever reason. And we've never done anything to anybody. Now being that my father-in-law lived here and he died in his 90s, okay. So of course,

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I moved here and we inherited this house and we lived here by his request. And then in his later years, he moved into the house and it was already sitting his will to give the house to Beth. So being that he lived here 35 years, he was stuck in his ways, a little bit of an older guy. You know, there's some stuff around the house that he just didn't want to get rid of. So the backyard wasn't kept up as nice as maybe he should have. When my wife's mother passed away, she told me that the garden went cause she was the one that kept the yard up.

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And so this was his house and nobody ever bothered him. But my next door neighbor's wife moved in and decided that for a life of better terms, I wanted to be a witch. And she didn't like my wife or my daughter. And she started to create that riff. And so I had went and told my wife, I said, hey, you know, he's changing. He doesn't hardly speak to us anymore. And that's because she's there, but that's cool. And then it was just a few years ago. And this is where the problem kind of begins. He tells me that my middle son, who's now, you know, grown, gone,

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has his own kids. He tells us that my middle son years ago had jumped into his backyard and stole some stuff. Now this is stuff that we did not know. But the first problem is because of what he said that he could have done to my son if he didn't have respect for my father-in-law, which he said that he could have made him disappear and we would have never found him. Now, if you are doing any type of thought patterning in your mind, that is indeed a clear threat. But okay, we let that go.

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Devontae's gone now. He's got his own kids. We didn't know anything about this because it was never meant to us. Uh, and it had been years ago at this time. And at the time we was told about this, the neighbor was drunk off his mind. So we called Devontae. Devontae pretty much said, yeah, you know, he did some mischievous stuff that he shouldn't have done. When he came back from my mother's funeral in 2020, he did go and be a man and apologize to the neighbor who at this point was sober.

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and everything was kind of cool. But the Riff was still there. And the reason why the Riff was there was because about when my daughter was 17 or 18, she had a little lemonade stand outside. And she had moved in with him at this point. And I guess her brother, whoever it was, came down and offered my daughter a huge amount of money for a couple of lemonade. Now, of course, the family protector me, I'm not here when this happens. I'm at work.

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I come home and find out she has all this money. And the first thing I said is, for one, he was drunk. Two, from the way that they were describing things to me, it was almost like the guy was hitting on her. And I said, you need to return this money. Nothing good is coming out of this and you need to give it back. Well, her and my wife says, we've tried to give it back. We tried to give it back to him. We tried to give it back to the neighbor. Nobody would take it. And the neighbor told her, take it and go.

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And I said, I would have dropped it on the ground and ran, but that had became that riff and it led to now the last three, two, three years, barely speaking, like it used to kind of getting dirty looks from over there. And we just ate to ourselves. Well, leave it to my youngest son to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. So somewhere roughly around, you know, April 26, 27 is around there.

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because I had started giving him text messages on April 28th, I pulled up from work. And when I pulled up, my wife is over looking at his gate like somebody had died behind there. And I did notice that my youngest son, who's the only son still at home, looked like somebody shot him. So I asked my wife, I said, why does Jacob look like somebody from over that house said something to him that they shouldn't have said?

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And she says, no, it's because I'm looking and I'm trying to figure this out. She says, but there is some paint looks like is wood stain. Cause there's the can that somebody threw over into their yard where it was thrown over into their driveway, which was right up underneath their tire of their Escalade. And she says, I'm going to go let them know that they have this out here in case they want to clean it up and find out who did it now.

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at the time because I am who I am and I have this sixth sense about when things is about to go wrong. And if you think that's kind of a bunch of hogwash, you can ask my wife because I've said to her, this is going to happen and this is when it's going to happen and that thing has happened. But looking at him, it just didn't sit right with me. Now if you knew this next door neighbor, you knew that he was full of part of my friends piss and vinegar. He came into the neighborhood that way.

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He is from that old hood mentality. I was raised in the hood too. I believe he probably was even a part of a gang. I never got that way, but I was raised in the projects. Poor black kid raised in the projects. I've seen more gang fights than you ever wanna see. I had uncles that was in gangs. The blood in the crips used to fight, and I'll back out of the projects. I'm nothing new to that. But when you don't get out of that mentality, and you carry that over to adulthood, that's when it becomes

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dangerous. So I have seen him in the way he's reacted to stuff before. And so my wife went and said, you know, told his wife and she was like, I'll tell him when he gets home. And she went off, her and my daughter went off to choir practice and I was at home watching some documentary that was new to came out about OJ. But in the back of my mind, I said, I hope my son had nothing to do with this.

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because it kept nagging at me that the person who did this could be in my house. So I'm like, I hope he ain't got nothing to do with this. Would he be that dumb? Why would he do something like that? So, sitting here watching the documentary, 20 minutes in, I get a knock on my door, and it's the neighbor. This is where the problem really begins because of the way

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that it is handled. If you want to go back to old hood time mentality, for those of you who have never lived in the hood, for those of you who's never been around gangs or gang violence, for those you don't know what these terms mean, first of all, let me say, I am very happy that you don't know. It is a part of life that most of us that has lived it, whether we are part of gangs or not, we strive every single day to outlive that. We use it.

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Like I'm doing here as a teachable moment to try to teach people what happens when you're still in this mentality. So he came and knocked on my door and he was like, Hey dog, can you come out here for a minute? So I went outside and he was like, yo son did this. Yo son threw this wood stain. I was looking around cause I wanted to F somebody up. But when I looked at my cameras, I saw that it was your son and I can't do anything. Can you call him out here?

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Now let's talk about his camera footage. First of all, he need better cameras because that camera didn't show anything. And that's when I discovered that he has his camera a little bit too deep in my yard, but my camera kind of dips a little bit into the neighbor's yards too, because of the fact that the way and the wide angle of the camera and what it captures. But he's like, I don't got a lot of you. Let me show you this video before you get him. Now on this video, understand, I know you guys know this, I do true crime.

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The one thing that I do is I study every case that I've brought to you guys, which means I end up studying laws in the state in which I'm talking about. So if there's anybody that is more versed on certain laws, depending on where cases is coming from, your True Crime Podcasters, I think sometimes does more research than your cops, which I know that, because I get to that in a minute, sometimes than your attorneys, because we want you to know we know what we're talking about.

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But JessComisense tells you what flies in a court case. So he shows me this video. First of all, it's grainy as all outdoors. It's one of those very cheap camera systems. And what I mean by that is, it's the one where there is a whole bunch of lag. It's kind of like the old store CCTVs that you can still go into right now when the cops say, can you give me the footage? And they pull this and it's laggy. So the person is walking,

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but it takes the whole system five to 10 seconds to catch up with this person. So by the time the person has gotten, let's say to the tree, he's already moved and went somewhere else, but the camera is that slow and is grainy and you can't pick anybody out. So he's pointing this out to be saying, here he is right here. He came out the door, he disappears, whereas I'm assuming he went and grabbed a wood stain. Then he came over and he threw the paint. You can hear the can hit the ground.

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Now I could have been the neighbor that some people would have been. And I could have said, well, to be honest with you, you can't prove that that's my son, because he couldn't. I said, well, he, and I know he would say, well, he lives in your house, that's him. You don't know that because I have other people that come and go in my house. I have people his height that come and go in my house. He has a shirt on that he's wearing now, but that could have been somebody else at that day. You don't even capture him

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in the act. Okay, so you never see him throw this can. You see him disappear between our garage and we have a camper there that leads to our backyard and you just hear the can go over and hit the ground. But I'm not one of those neighbors, right? I'm the neighbor and I'm the person that has raised to do the right thing at the right time. So I called my son out. Now.

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This is where it gets dangerous. And for those of you guys out here that's full of piss and vinegar, and you don't pay attention or listen to what you say, I'm going to show you now how his words could have backfired on him and how the police don't even know their own laws in the state of California. So my son comes out and he starts going off about how he wanted to whip his butt, how he could have whipped his butt, but he couldn't because he was 13.

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but if he caught him in his yard, he was going to F him up and he was going to kill him. Here's the whole problem with that. You just committed terroristic threat. You just committed verbal assault. Now, before anybody says the cops told him that there's no such thing as verbal assault, you look it up. It is. There is more to assault except for touching somebody. That's where battery comes in. But there is assault of the mouth. And I know in most states now they call it terroristic threat.

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If I tell you I'm gonna beat you up, I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna stab you, you better not come out your house because the next time I see you, I'm gonna put your butt on site. Those are all threats that are legally able to put you in jail. And if the cops wanna do it, you can go to court and you can file restraining orders based on that if you are truly afraid. But I let him go that day because I knew he was mad. He was born off steam and to his nature, of course, he was

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a little drunk. And so I pick my times when I need to readdress something. Because in his mind, I know he's already thinking that, you know, I'm a punk, I'm old, you know, he's taking MMA and no one's gonna mess with him. So I let my son, I let him vent. And I did pop my son in the back of the head two times. Now, if you talk to any of my sons, they will tell you that their joke is they have a crater in the back of the head.

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when I've popped him in the back of the head before. So I did that, I popped him in the back of the head. I'll tell you that because that's gonna come up here later on. And I said to him, I said, we will take care of this. And he was all, all right, I need to get this off my rim. Now, people who drive Escalades, I won't say everybody who does, but the majority of people that drive Escalades does it because of vanity.

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And that was his whole problem. I can't drive away. I drive an Escalade dog. I can't drive an Escalade when I got this wood stain all over my tires. They don't look right. Okay. Well, for one, it's like a 19 or I think a 2007 Escalade, not even a 2020, 2021. That's besides the point, but that was the whole thing. So I said, we will take care of this. Now I'm the kind of person that says if I'm going to take care of something, I'm going to take care of it.

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You don't need to stay on my case. Now my son committed this crime. I had nothing to do with this. My wife didn't do with this. My daughter didn't have anything to do with this. But I want all you guys that have kids to remember this that you carry the sin of your children. If that person can't get to your kid, they will try to come to you. Now some people call that mob mentality, but that's exactly what goes down. They look for you to set that straight.

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Okay. And in some cases they should, but every day I came home. So on the 28th of April, because I have all these receipts. And one thing I would tell y'all is if you have an issue, you always want to keep receipts because people like to lie. So the first thing he came with with a lot was, was he said, uh, this has been two months. First of all, you can't count.

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April 28th is when I sent him the first message was mean that they probably happened to 27. So let's just take April 27th. So April 27th to May 27th would be one month. As of this shooting is June 15th, which means it would take until June 27th to be two months. He's telling everybody it's been two months. Now it hasn't been, and I have been talking to him every step of the way from April to May.

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because here was the stuff. So the can of woodstain that he threw, we believe came out of my wife's collection. My wife does woodstaining and she does projects and she sells them through the holidays and all that good stuff, okay? But I guess the one thing that we never thought about because my wife was very careful with it is, what would we do if this stuff actually stained something and we had to get it out? She lays down boards and cloths and all kinds of stuff when she's doing things so that she can pull this stuff up.

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So I had to research how would I pull wood stain out of a concrete driveway. Now that that has been sitting there at that point, had I already been sitting there a couple of days. So whether it took a day or a month, it ain't going to matter because it's already there. So I started researching it came up with one way to do say, yeah, you can move it out with this chemical. So I had to buy the chemical, but nobody carried the chemical around here. I had to order the chemical. I had to wait for that to come in.

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My wife and my son and my daughter, when I was at work, went over to try to scrub it, it did not come up. And so this was all towards the end of April. At the same time, he's texted me about his tire and that he wants his tire to be fixed and we're not gonna buy a new tire, but it needs to be scrubbed off. And then first he said he didn't want my son over there, then he turns into, it could be scrubbed off with elbow grease and all that. No, it couldn't, because he's tried to scrub it off and couldn't come off. Every day I came home from work,

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The minute my car pulls up, he's sending me a text message. And basically what the mentality was is he wanted a slave at this point. He wanted, he felt like he was done wrong and he wanted somebody to quit everything that they were doing and just come to his whim and screw up his driveway and that was not gonna happen. I work a full-time job. My kid is very active. He has 4-H and other things. My wife is gone. She works and has choir and everything else. But at the same time, I have to wait for these chemicals

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to come in so that we can try that, which I have been doing steadily, and I have all of the text messages in which to prove it. After about the third text message, I came in the house and I looked at my wife and I said, we need to help me get this done because this is not going to end well. You know how I am. And he keeps pestering me as if I'm a slave on his cotton plantation. This is not gonna work out for me. He's not gonna give me orders. Now, exactly what I said ends up happening.

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because now he starts sending me all this stuff that he's looking up about how to get Woodstein out in the whole nine. Problem with these videos is he's pulling videos as three, four, five, six, seven years old. We don't even know if it's going to work. And so at this point, we're already $150 in the chemicals and I'm sitting here going, I don't know how much more of this chemical stuff I'm going to take. And so finally then he starts sending me stuff about his tire. And

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I didn't catch this message at the beginning that he sent on May 28th because he was sending me so many freaking messages, I can keep up with them and I was at work. My job is very demanding and when I'm going in store to store, I don't have time to be concentrating on what's coming here. My family even knows you don't send me a text when I'm at work unless it is something important and then the text would be to call back. If it is an emergency...

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then you need to go ahead and call through. If you call me and answer, because I know you're not gonna call me unless there's an issue. So I didn't skip the message where basically he was threatening me then. He sends me a picture of his rim and talking about how he's been patient and it's been over a month and he's been trying to be cool about it. Now from where we're from, I'm trying to be cool about it, is Morris Code for you really testing my patience and pretty soon we just gonna throw hands. That's what that means.

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in between the lines from where we come from. And you will figure that out as we get further into the story. Then he's crying that he's driving with stain on his tire and his rim and he's tired of it and he wants to get it cleaned professionally and he'll send me the bill. Now I said, okay, give me a quote. Now here's where he fails to realize. I don't gotta take the quote in which he gives me.

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His homeboy, which is exactly what happened, could be making up quotes and say, here's what we gonna charge. And this is what you're going to give him the bill. His wife has screamed court before. Let's go. Because if no one knows how these disputes work, first of all, when I tell the judge and prove the jet to the judge and I'm willing to pay for it, she's going to look at him like he's stupid. Second of all, she's going to tell him as my legal right to go and get any other quote that I wish to get because I'm paying the bill. I don't have to take your quote.

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And that's part of what he got mad about, because I'm like, I'm not taking that quote. First of all, I deal with reputable companies. He sends me a quote from a mob auto detail, which is not even close to where we live. Okay, it comes from Linwood, California. I'm like, I ain't even never, and more than, and then the name of, you know, he has a Gmail account, and the email that he has there doesn't even represent the business.

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Now don't get me wrong. I do understand that some businesses legitimately uses Gmail accounts. There is. Perks to that. If you look at my show's email, true crime and authors is that gmail.com. I have perks to why I have a gmail.com though. It goes into certain accounts and connect to certain calendars and all of that. I get that, but I also run a podcast and I have been dealing with the fact that when I decide if I do.

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to incorporate it as a business one day, am I gonna stick with that or am I gonna actually get a true comment authors at my domain? Most business you look up has an email address at their domain. So if the name of your shop is Mob Detail, it would be whoever, whoever, whoever at mobdetail.com. And if you take business 101, when you're running a business like a Mob Detailing Company or a Karate School or something like that,

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they would tell you it looks more professional if you have an email like that. So of course I do my due diligence and do what? Research. So this guy had no legitimate website. He had a LinkedIn page. Then he had an Instagram page. That's as far as he went. Then they sent me this invoice that says, well, the payment due is 5.30. That's weird when I didn't get that until June 8th. I looked at that 1.50 and I said, well, okay, I'll get my own thing.

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But I didn't get a chance for that folks, because here's how the ending of the story goes. The moment I pulled up, that's before he sent this, what happens? My phone rings. To that day, I'm tired, I'm irritable, I have no time to deal with this. I'm not your child, you're not my owner, my mom died in 2020, I have a wife. My wife don't even treat me like that. I'm not gonna get done like that. Every day my car pulls up, you send me a text message.

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when I'm trying to handle it. By this time, I had already cited, and I had already talked to my wife and I said, we're just gonna go ahead and hire a professional. Let me go on some of these sites and see if I can find a professional to come out and do it for a decent price. We've already thrown too much money and chemicals at it. I don't wanna keep throwing things at it that doesn't work. I just wanna get it done. So, I get the text message, I read you the text message and my reply, and feel free to send me an email if you thought I was wrong.

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But here's how I handled it. So as soon as I pulled it up, he goes, when the concrete cleaner coming? Because we had ordered this other stuff that was supposed to mix in with lacquer and because lacquer is oil-based. So you want something oil-based to pull wood stain up and this powder called odor Z-Way. Now if you never heard of it, odor Z-Way is actually a pet odor remover. They have this put into cat boxes, things that way, but it's supposed to be able to pull this wood stain up off of the concrete.

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And I had talked to my wife about ordering that. And so I said, let's get that order. So he goes, when is the concrete cleaner coming? I says, I'm not sure. I have to ask her as we work different shifts, meaning my wife at this point, I am waiting on quotes to have a pro come do it with my work schedule and demand and hers, unfortunately, we do not have time to keep trying stuff that don't work and I worked seven days a week. So I am seeing what that costs at this moment. That's what I said at that very moment. Like I said,

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I had a list of contractors on my screen that I had pulled up on a service and I was waiting for quotes to come in from each of them. I didn't get that chance because my phone rang. And then my phone rang, it was him. And when I pick up the phone, the first thing I hear him say is, I'm about to get real heated. So I said to him, I said, look here, I said, if you're about to get heated, that's fine. I said, if you want to talk to me.

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You can talk to me man to man about it, but I'm not here for that. Now in his gangster mentality mind from the streets, when I said we can talk about this man to man, he said what? Oh, now you calling me out. That's not a call out from where I'm from. A call out is, you know what? I'm tired of you, dog. Bring your butt outside and we going to handle this right now. That's a call out. I said, you can come talk to me, man to man. He hangs up the phone in my face and he runs outside.

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The moment he runs outside, I go outside. And he's standing there with his, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? He's puffed all up, got his fist all balled up, pulling his pants up all up in my face. And I said, first of all, you need to back up. Second of all, I'm not here to fight you. And I think he was shook because the way he was acting, I guess he thinks a lot of people are scared of him. I'm the wrong man for that. You don't know anything about me. I'm the wrong dude. I'm not scared of anybody but God.

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And I said, I'm not here for that dude. I said, if you want to talk about this, let's talk. He's screaming obscenities and F you. And this has been over two months. I said, it ain't been two months. Y'all ain't doing it. Y'all ain't doing anything about it. Yeah, we are. Said I have contractors right now. And while he's out here screaming and yelling and shooting piss and vinegar, I have three contractors that's calling me that I can't even answer the phone. But he's up in my face. What you gonna do? We gonna buy, what you gonna do? And he's up in my, I said, if you don't back up.

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Nobody's here to fight you, but he came with that fighting mentality. All he knew was that he wanted to fight because violence solves everything. And as he's yelling and screaming, here's the first mistake he made. First of all, his wife, who's one of the biggest instigators on the block, came out with him. So if you come in a fight to do, why are you going to bring your wife? Why are you going to bring both your kids? I think one's like two and one's one. And you are threatening to beat up somebody in front of your sons.

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And as you're threatening to beat me up, your son is dangerously crawling up underneath one of my trailer hitches that I didn't even see him at the time. But you ain't caring because you too busy trying to fight me. What problem can you run into right now? Uh, DCFS there's the people that's looking for my video and from people looking and if anybody called and saw that your kids is instantly gone and California don't play that anymore because they've messed up three different cases.

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that's ended up in death. Gabriel Fernandez being the biggest one, so now they don't take that for granted anymore. If you get a call of violence and the parents violent, man, that's an automatic removal. But you trying to fight me in front of your sons. So after 10 minutes trying to calm him down, he's sitting there here still yelling and screaming, he wanna fight, he wants the box. So then he does what we call in the hood, get ready because here comes the punch.

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That's when somebody decides they want to back up and they're creasing their pants and they're planting their feet because their next move is they're gonna come out and they're going to hit you. This is why I take a break and tell you a little bit about me. He doesn't know what he was in for that day. Like I told you, the neighbors don't know anything about me because I don't put this out about myself. We stick to ourselves. Here's what he didn't know. He doesn't know anything about me. And I told him, I says,

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anything about me or what you're about to get into. And his response was, I don't give a F. Maybe he would if he knew that I was a first degree black belt. Not just any first degree black belt, but I was trained at the schools of the legendary June Ri. If you want to look up the name June Ri, it will come up that he is known as the father of American Taekwondo.

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because Jun-ri was responsible in 1956 for bringing Tae Kwon Do from Korea over to the United States. If you further do research into Jun-ri, you would also discover that Jun-ri knew Bruce Lee. Him and Bruce Lee was very good friends, to the point that Jun-ri taught Bruce Lee the sidekick in detail.

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So that famous sidekick that you see Bruce doing all the time on all his films is literally taking people out. He learned that from June Rhee. And in turn, Bruce Lee taught June Rhee the non-telegraphic punch, which is a punch that cannot be defended against. Dare not to be confused with the other two famous punches that Bruce Lee knew, the acupuncture and the one-inch punch. The acupuncture is a move

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that Muhammad Ali actually called June Rien to train him on how to do it, to use it in his fights. Taught by Bruce Lee. He would figure out that I've been in combat. I've been in fights. He would have figured out that while he's standing here looking at me threatening to fight me, my mind, because if you ever seen the movie Robocop, here's how a martial artist or a fighter thinks. When there's a threat, you start analyzing the threat.

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you start looking for the weak points in case this goes to a place you don't want it to go. So while he's sitting here gyrating and throwing his hands at my face and popping up and back, I'm looking at his stance, I'm looking at his body, I'm looking at the first place I'm gonna hit him if I have to, and then the second place to take him down. I'm looking at all of the weak points where I can hit him at and believe me, there were many. So I'm like, this dude's gonna attempt to hit me and if he does,

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my reactions is going to be something I don't want it to be. So I need to think my way out of this. Here's the thing about martial arts. Bruce Lee said to himself, martial arts is the art of fighting without fighting. You don't take martial arts of any form because you want to beat something up. He is a disgrace to the belt, the neighbor I'm speaking of, because he claims he took MMA. If you took MMA just to beat somebody up, which apparently is what he took it for, that's a disgrace to the belt in the system.

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because that's not what it's for. Fighting is always, always your last resort. That's what you do if you have no other choice, they leave you no other choice. You've already warned them several times, they're just full of it and they're like, you know what, the only way you getting up out of here today is if we throw down, then at that point, you have no choice. I don't know what they do these days.

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But back when I had to test out for my black belt, I had to write a whole essay on why I wanted a black belt, why I thought I deserved to be a black belt, what I have learned through my journey in martial arts, and what I intended to do with the training in which I had. And if that essay did not meet up to the Sensei standards, you didn't test for a belt.

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Now I'm not active anymore, but if you go back and look at my May 23rd episode of Extraordinary People, which is number seven, I talked to Cheryl Ilove, who is a true ninja. She's about to go test for another belt. I can't remember which one it is now. She has so many of them. Uh, whale pass her sixties, still doing this. You cannot underestimate people. So because of who I am, I'm 50 now, I'll tell y'all, you know, fighting. I don't do that no more, dude. Right? You know,

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If I have to fight to defend myself, I will. I'm too old for that. My life has evolved past that. I have children that I'm trying to teach the right things to do. Fighting is just not the top of my mind anymore, but believe me, if I have to, I will, and I'm what they call a dangerous individual, something else he doesn't know because of the fact that of everything I've been through, nobody scares me. Here's a little bit of my testimony before I get into this. I am a survivor.

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of childhood trauma. I'm a survivor of domestic abuse from an ex-wife. I'm a survivor of abuse from a parent being my dad. I have been hit so hard that I flew three, four feet. I have seen my mom in various states of abuse, from being chained to beds to being whipped and everything else. I have been hung out of three story windows. I have been thrown from my living room into my bathroom into a tub and knocked unconscious.

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by my dad that was four times bigger than this neighbor, four times more muscular than him, and 22 times better than he is. I have had a gun pulled on me where I walked into the barrel of the gun because I was getting a divorce from my oldest son's mom. She decided that she caught herself calling some gangsters and the dude was holding my son and doing things around him he shouldn't be doing.

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like cursing the whole nine. And I said, give me my son. And he pulled the gun and I walked right into it. And I said, if you man enough, pull the trigger. I said, because that's my son. I'm willing to die for him today. Are you? And that's the same thing I told the neighbor. And that's another thing that kind of sparked it. It was because I told him, I said, in very calm terms. I said, I understand you was mad. I understand that you was upset. I said, but I want you to know in no uncertain terms. I said, my son has called his brother.

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And I said, he probably called his brother because it's the one he talks to the most being my middle son and he is in jujitsu and all that. And he took, I don't give a damn. He's in jujitsu. That ain't why I told you that for you shouldn't be worried about him. I'm the one you should be worried about. So it's because I want you to understand that in no circumstances would I ever let you or anybody else ever hurt my son. I'm willing to give my life for him. Are you? So people like me, they call dangerous.

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Because we've been through everything. There is nothing this guy can do to me, short of killing me, that I haven't already been through. When you get abused by a parent, and you get thrown and hung out of windows and guns, I mean, dude, it just comes to a point. And I've been in fights before, and I have a very high adrenaline rush hold. It's almost like the Hulk. And I had somebody describe it to me. They said, man, are you like the Incredible Hulk? Because I had a guy just like this guy.

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years ago when I was in my early 20s. Dan knew some form of karate, and he always liked to spar with me all the time. And I guess something happened in his brain one day where he felt like that somebody thought I was better than him or whatever, and nobody ever said that, but people egged him on. And he called himself one to fight me one night, but he sucker punched me because he's like, I'll whoop you so he kicked me dead in my groin.

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with a pair of steel toe boots on. And because my adrenaline level was already so high, I didn't feel it. And I rose up off the bed like the undertaker and I've never seen a 345 pound white boy run so fast as he ran that day. And I didn't feel anything for about six hours. So they call people like me dangerous. Cause once you push them to that point to where that adrenaline kicks in, they can't feel anything. That means you can't really hurt them.

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It's almost like being on drugs without being on drugs until they start coming down. So years ago, when I was full of piss and vinegar, when I was 20, maybe my early 30s, where this would have turned out a whole lot different then than it did now, I didn't have the brain to think like I do now. It was just, I'm just gonna take you out. So when he ran about like he was gonna hit me, I pulled out my phone and I turned on my camera and you hear his wife screams, he's recording.

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And then he drops his fist. Oh no, man, don't really, you're going to record me, which tells me everything I needed to know because he was going to hit me to that camera came out. Now he called me less than a man and I'm not a man because real man don't pull out cameras and, and, uh, then you see him retreating. Now he's trying to run back into his gate. You wasn't doing that for 10 and 15, 20 minutes. Here's also how people in cameras, they love cameras until they work against them.

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He has cameras all over his house. I just told you he had a camera footage of my son, supposedly throwing wood stain in his yard. Right? Well, he has the camera to catch everything that he's doing. Then he tried to threaten me. Well, I got the shots where your son, where you popped your son in the back of the head. I said, produce them. I'll tell the judge. I'll tell the cops that myself. I got in the hide. I said, but you won't produce that though.

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Because even on that day, you was full of piss and vinegar, you was yelling and screaming at me, you was yelling and screaming at my son, you was getting the sound on that. So that shows that you are already guilty of being aggressive.

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So his wife goes, here's the Karen move. Oh my God, I'm gonna call the police. And I said, what are you calling the police for? You're the one that's aggressive. And he's, no, he wants to blame me. She called the police, dog, because of you. It's all your fault. All you had to do was stand out here and be a man. I'm like, so I'm not a man because I don't want to result to violence? That's what you're telling me?

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We don't pull out cameras. Won't you turn the camera off? You hear him say that on my camera. So I'm telling him, turn the camera off. Now we go to court with that, the judge gonna know why you wanna turn the camera off. And you hear me say, for what? So that you can do something you're not supposed to do? As he's carrying his sons back into the house. So the damage has already been done to his family. If anybody else is out here paying attention, they could have called the DCFS right then and been like, yeah, I got a dude out here with his kids trying to fight somebody. They would have came knocked on his door.

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I tried to give him that wisdom. While he's yelling and screaming at me, I'm trying to tell him, dude, you are in the wrong. You being aggressive, you got your boys out here. People will call DCFS on you for less. Get these boys in. He didn't want to listen to any of that. So then his wife does the carry move. Now we gonna lie. And I say right to his face, your wife is in there lying because she's telling the police that I'm out here trying to kick your butt.

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You know what he did? He jumped out again. Don't nobody whip my butt. Dude, there's somebody that always whips somebody's butt. You ain't the baddest dude on the block, even though you think that you are. So she calls the police. I'm laughing. You think that's funny? I said, oh yeah, it's very funny. I said, because I guarantee you, since you have cameras everywhere, that you won't go pull the camera from the last 20 minutes that you recorded. And I said, I already know that the people across the street,

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who are also his spending or his homeboys, they won't produce it either. So they called the cops, she lied, said I was trying to beat them up. The cops came and they laughed. Because they said, this is over something that happened a month ago? I'm like, yes, sir. And I said, here's all the text messages up to the day about me trying to handle this and how I'm getting this done. And I'm about to call, I was calling contractors. And I said, here's my call log. As you can see, I missed three of them because I'm dealing with this.

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And the dude's like, so you was willing to pay for it? And this is what I said, I said, I was. I said, but I'm not anymore. I said, the moment that he broke his barrier with me and he wanted to be violent and threaten me and threaten my son and threaten everybody, now I feel that my life could be in danger and I'm a peaceful man. So he's on his own and you can tell him that. I says, but you also need to tell him how to properly use the police because this didn't work for him. Because in his mind, the police was gonna come, they was gonna arrest my son and take him to jail.

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And the cops looked at him, I was standing there and said, this camera footage don't prove anything. If you take this to court, unless he or his son admits that they did it, you don't have a case because we don't see him throwing it. That's a grainy video. We don't know if that's him or not. So basically the cops worked against him. And when she went to call him, I said, let me tell you what you just did.

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I don't care what I did. I said, we'll care about this. I said, because now if I break a toenail, they're coming to your door first because you called the police out here. Now there's a police record of that. If I got into a car wreck and they came back and said it was nefarious and they think that the person ran me off the road, they're coming to you because they come to ask my wife, who do I have beef with? She's gonna say nobody else but him. I said, so you put yourself in more of a spotlight?

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than you really ever wanted to put yourself in. Here is the funny thing though. He was so concerned about the camera that was in my hand that he missed the other cameras that was recording him that's on my property too, because my car is wired for sound.

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I have a camera in my car that records 24-7. It was pointed directly at him on the day that this showdown went. So all the footage he didn't wanna give the cops, I already have it.

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And I did tell Peter, I said, won't you go and have him pull his camera from the last 20, 25 minutes? And you will see that he was truly the aggressor. I said, here's a little snippet on my phone where you can see that he dropped his hands the moment I pulled the camera out. I says, now he didn't touch me, but if he did, I would have you arrested today. So after all of that, I have told my wife for years, we need to put cameras on the house. And as you guys already know, I am a Christian.

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Whether people agree with that or not, I am. I believe 100% truly in God. I would not be here if there was no God. There is stories that I can sit here and tell you of how I know God is real. People make fun of God. People make fun of the supernatural. Dude, I've been through it all. I've seen people be demonically possessed before. Really, that's not a joke. It does happen all the time. And I believe that sometimes...

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or all the times God works like the Bible says in mysterious ways. I have preached to my wife for years. We need cameras on the house. Because there was some kids that was coming messing with bricks that's on our wall. There was people throwing things in our mailbox. Somebody had came on the premises and stole some, um, some extension cords and other things. I said, we need to put cameras on this house. Tell me why in the middle of all of this, after the police comes and leave, now he's further upset because the police pretty much said,

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You have no case because his wife is yelling and screaming, let's go to court. And I said, please, let's go to court. Now I'm not going to go to court and lie, but I know my son did it. I'm not going to take that back. But when I lay all this out, like I did for the police, for the judge and say, here's all the text messages. Here's what I was willing to do. But it is my right to go get another opinion or appraisal. And the judge can be like, yeah, it's his right. And if it costs him 70 bucks versus the 150, you should have no complaints over that. If you decide that you don't want to take that, then that's on you.

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And I said, let's go to court. This is going to take longer anyway. I says, but unless we do, I'm not doing anything. You threatened me for the last time. I'm not going to deal with this anymore. Right after all that happens, they go in their house. Tell me how come I look over and there's this young guy named Dakota that's standing on the other side of my car. And I'm talking to my wife and I'm continually talking because I'm thinking that at some point he's just going to get the hint that I'm talking to somebody and he's going to leave, but he didn't until I acknowledged him. And I said, you know,

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Well, how can I help you? And he goes, I know this might not be the time right now. I'm like, really is not man. I'm like, what are you trying to sell? And he goes, I'm with Vivint and we're out here talking to the neighborhood today about installing, you know, some alarm systems or cameras and the deals is the best when we come out. And so I said, all right, come back tomorrow, dude. I'll be in a better head space. We could talk about this now. I don't know if you guys ever have Vivint people or anybody else. And you say, come back tomorrow. They never return. So I said,

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If he comes back tomorrow, I'll talk to him. I said, maybe this is God's way of showing us that we need to go ahead and put this stuff in this house. He comes back the next day on the spot from five or six o'clock, here he came. So we run everything and he's like, ah, well, you know, unfortunately, sir, they're gonna need a down payment. And he gives me the number of that. And I'm like, yeah, that's a little bit too high right now. Is there anything you can do about it? He's like, I don't think anything I can do about that. You know, let's try to curb this down, this down. And he goes, well,

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Let's see what I can do for tomorrow. And I said, all right, man, you come back tomorrow. We'll see what we can do. But if you can get that price down for me a little bit, maybe you got a deal. Now, no salesman ever comes back twice. None of us ever comes back twice. I used to do what he's doing, but for vacuum cleaners. I used to walk around. I can't think of the vacuum now, but there was really popular, they was built like a cannon. It was one that turned your bathtub into a whirlpool if you wanted to.

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I used to walk around and sell those and people tell me come back the next day. I don't go back, but sure enough Dakota returns the next night 8 p.m. Because he said you want me to come back at the same time I'm like gear was like eight eight fifteen is as you'll come back tomorrow this same time. Well, it wasn't 8 p.m I think he came at like eight ten. So after the eight o'clock when I'm like he ain't coming back Sure enough eight ten came the cold or show backup

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He goes, all right, dude, this is what we can do. We can get this down. I can give you a couple more discounts. So we got it down to where I want us. All right, man, we can just go ahead and put it in. Now, what he didn't tell me was, the moment that you signed this contract, we don't wait. We're gonna have an installer that's gonna come right behind me. And he's gonna put this in. I'm like, you're gonna put it in tonight? He's like, yeah. So a nice young man named Michael shows up, who was the installer, 21 year old kid, very bright kid.

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And he installed everything here. Now I have a piece of mind because now the reason why I was now really he'll be able to get into men is because I don't know what this guy's going to try to do. Now I feel like I gotta have a record of stuff and all of the things that I wanted to put in the house, I could get up to one system is on the alarm code because I wanted to change my locks to digital logs and I wanted to get the ring bells so I can see who's at my, my door ring the bell, leaving packages and all of this just came full circle and I said, baby, this is God's way of telling me.

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You need to go ahead and bite the bullet. And that's what we did. So I want to come and tell you guys this story because I just wanted to give you the moral of this for all the young people that's listening out there, and even for all of the people that's in their late twenties and thirties, who just feels like violence is the only way to go.

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This guy told me that I was not a man. He says, I'm no longer a man because I refuse to stand out there and to fight him. I was more of a man for not fighting him than I would have been if I did, because a man truly thinks with his mind, not with his fist. Now, what would the fight have done? Did he get his concrete clean? Nope. Is the wood stain still gonna be on his rim and tire?

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Yep, what did it gain you? Somebody could be going to the hospital, somebody could be going to jail, or two people could be going to jail. That's all it gets you. It gets you hurt in jail or dead. And like I tried to tell him, and I'm hoping the young people's listening, because I tell this to my kids and parents, if you haven't told your kids this yet, and I'm sure you have, make sure you tell them this. Everything you do follows you.

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In this day and age, especially of social media, everything you put up on YouTube, on Instagram, on TikTok, it stays with you forever. And this neighbor laughed at me when I looked at him and I said, dude, I don't got time to fight you. I don't have time to lose my career over you. And he started laughing. What jobs gonna fire you over that? Well,

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If you guys don't know this now, there are many companies, and mine being one of them, that when I sign paperwork to work there, it says that I would represent the company on and off of the clock in a professional manner. That means if I go out here and get into a dang mob fight with you, and they hear about that, first of all, I go to jail. My wife has gotta call my boss, and I'm gonna go, he's in jail.

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they're gonna look into that, I can lose my job. I used to watch the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleading tryouts and one girl got let go from the squad, who was gonna make the squad? But they found some stuff on Facebook that she had did three years prior, not even recent, three years prior where she was in a bikini and she was getting drunk and they said, this is not how we want the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders to be represented, you have to leave. I also represent other people.

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I represent people that I work with. I talk to police officers all the time. I talk to all of you guys. Nobody wants to listen to or work with a thug or somebody who is hot tempered. That's just going to throw a punch because that's the only thing that they can do. You have to think about the things that you can lose right after you throw said punch, you may have won that fight.

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But you really didn't because you lost everything else.

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And I tried to tell this young man this too, as he's trying to fight me. But I do know you can look at certain things and you can tell certain things that happens in certain people's houses. Cause I've been through domestic abuse before. I've been through abuse. I know the looks that women give when they are afraid to go against their husbands. Oh, I know these looks. I can tell you, he probably does have a criminal record, which I do not have one. That does make.

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finding jobs a lot harder depending on what the charges that you have. But as he's trying to fight me, I'm trying to give him some sense of wisdom and saying, you don't want to do this, dude. You have two boys. And my 13 year old son, even though he's the one that's part of the catalyst for this, is outside watching me. So how could I ever tell my son when he gets bullied at school because he has been and somebody's trying to hit him,

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So how can I tell him, you don't ever want to go to a violent route. You should do everything you can before you fight. But that day that he was outside watching me, the first thing I did was resulting into fighting. That is a message I don't want to send to my kid. So if anybody ever tells you that you're less than a man or a woman, cause you won't stand outside and fight them. You can say to them what I told this guy. I says, then I guess I am the biggest no man that you've ever seen. Cause I'm not going to fight you today.

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And I'm weak because I pulled the camera and I told him this, I says, this camera is more for your protection than mine. You don't know me. You don't know what I'm capable of. So I'm trying to protect me and you. So I hope you guys are learning a little bit more about me. I felt like I wanted to come tell this story. This is the bonus episode is one that you guys could have listened to. One of you didn't have to just wanted to let you know. Yes, we all suffer.

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things in life and sometimes everybody don't understand it or maybe you felt like you're the only one going through this but I wanted to come and let you know your boy handled this the way he should have handled it and if anything happens to be I'll follow the face of the earth I'll mysteriously die get beat up in the middle of the day y'all know who to go look at

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All right, I hope you guys have learned something from this one. Hope you guys have learned something about me. That's a little bit of my testimony. There's been several different podcasts I have been on talking about the domestic abuse and the childhood abuse that I have faced. I will start linking those. Maybe one day I'll come and give you guys that full story. That is a long story within itself. If I told you my whole story, you'd be like, yeah, no wonder he ain't scared. Ain't nothing a man can do to me that hasn't already been done. So I just wanted to come and tell you guys that story.

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So I hope you guys are all being safe out there. Tune in to the regular scheduled episodes where you should see those two as well. Season one's coming clean to an end. There'll be some other things I'll talk to you guys about when we talk again in about a week or so that is happening that you guys should be excited about because I am. Hope you guys are being good to yourself and each other. And always remember, always stay humble. An act of kindness.

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can make someone's day. A little love and compassion can go a long way. And this is the podcast where two passions becomes one. I'll catch you guys on the next one. Thank you for listening to True Crime and Authors. Don't forget to rate, comment, and subscribe. Join us on social media, on Facebook at True Crime and Authors, on Twitter at Authors True, on YouTube and TikTok.

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