Episode 41. Unlocking the Secrets to a Gooder Life with Author Kendall Layman

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Life is often what we make it. But sometimes in life, we face trials, tribulations, and hardships. Even when we feel that our life is good, what if someone can come along and show you how to live a gooder life? Join me as I talk to author Kendall Lehman on this episode of True Crime in Authors.

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Welcome to True Crime and Authors Podcast, where we bring two passions together. The show that gives new meaning to the old adage, truth is stranger than fiction. Here's your host, David McClam. What's going on everybody. Welcome to the episode of True Crime and Authors. Of course, I'm your man, David McClam. Hey, if you guys haven't already, make sure you follow us on all of our social

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One link to a link tree in the show description will get you everywhere you need to go. If you have been following the show or paying attention to your calendars, you know that it is yet again time for another author interview. And I have a good one for you today. Let me tell you about our guest. He is an IT executive for a global company in Northwest Arkansas and currently holds the position of a managing director of global information technology.

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He started his career as a computer operator in the United States Air Force. He and his wife, Kathy, of 37 years lived in the greater Tulsa area in Tucson, Arizona, before returning to their native home of Northwest Arkansas to raise their children. Maintaining a balance between work and family has always been of utmost importance for the couple. They have a passion for building, camping, and especially for spending time with their young grandchildren.

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all of which keep their lives in proper perspective. He is the author of The Gooder Life. Please welcome Kendall Lehman. Hey, Kendall, how you doing? Hey, David, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Glad to be on your show. Thank you for coming on. First thing I wanna say is thank you for your wonderful service in the Air Force. We appreciate that. Thank you. I appreciate it. I was proud to do it. So I will ask you.

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probably one of the age old questions that some people listening will, I know I am. You've been married 37 years. I'm a little behind you, you've been married 20 years. What is the secret of a long marriage? You know, my wife and I went to high school together and after high school, I moved off. I lived in Dallas for a while, went to Tulsa. We ended up getting married. We were young, I was 21, she was 19.

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And that's not usually a recipe for success. Sometimes that's disaster, but in our case, it was success. And here's, when my kids grew up and were old enough to go to college and leave the house, they were worried about me and my wife, Kathy. And they said, dad, mom, what are you guys gonna do? And I told them this. I said, we were friends before you guys ever came along, and we're still friends. And we're gonna be friends, and we're gonna enjoy our time together.

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You know, I think it's just anything in a friendship. There are times in a friendship with people at work, with people outside of work, you get irritated with them. They get irritated with you. Maybe you don't wanna see them for a little bit or whatever. It's a lot of give and take. And we love each other and we've learned to live with each other. It's a learning process from day one. And I'll tell you, looking back after 37 years, I'm amazed.

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at the things we went through in our early years and how we made it through that because we didn't have a clue. We didn't know what we were doing. And you know that too, early on, you don't know what you're doing, but you figure it out and you get better because of that. And I'm just thankful that she's with me and by my side because I wouldn't be able to do what I do without her. Yeah, I always have friends at work always ask me, well, how have you been married for so long? I says, man, it is definitely a marathon. It is not a sprint.

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There's gonna be things that you found out that you thought that you knew that you didn't know and Yeah, I think being married every year is more of a learning situation And I'm with you There's been so many things a wife and I has been through and we've been together a total of 22 years married 20 years And that 22 years alone. I look back like you and you're like, I don't even know how we even survived this But love conquers all at the end man, and you know being friends I think it's still the best way to go a lot of young people gets away from that now

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Well, we were friends. I don't know how we, I said, that's how it was back when we was growing up. You was friends first and then it evolved into something else. So, that's right. All right. So you are the author of the gooder life, a very interesting book, interesting concept. Can you tell us how you came up with the concept for the gooder life and what it means? I can. I've got an uncle that has been pretty successful in life as far as business goes, and he's always been an upbeat man. In fact,

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His mother, who was my grandmother and my mom's mother, she passed away last year at the age of 102 years old. Lived by herself most of that time. My uncle is pushing 80 now and he tells me, I don't have any reason to think that I won't live another 20. My mom did it, I should do it too. And that's just kind of the attitude he has. And back when I was a young man, I went over to his house one day for a family gathering. He said, Kendall, how are you doing? And I said, I'm doing all right. And he said, no.

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There's only two kinds of days, good or gooder. And you have to make the choice of which one that's gonna be. And that stuck with me from that time forward. I've told that story many times and people laugh at it. But I went through some hard times early on. We talked about my wife and I, and we went through the death of my sister, who was 27 years old. We'd not been married very long at all, Kathy and I hadn't, and we went through that.

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the grief that you go through. I struggled with what my uncle told me because I wondered how in the world can you ask someone that's in the middle of grief like that to choose to be good or good or one day when actually you may be struggling just to get out of bed in the morning. I began to rationalize that in my mind and I began to notice that it's not necessarily a decision you make each day.

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It's a decision you make for a lifetime. And what you decide to do is that I'm going to be better today than I was yesterday. And in the middle of grief, you know, right now we're in the middle of NCAA season with basketball and next week we will have a final four and then we're going to crown a champion. And they always say about teams that are going through the NCAA tournament, you just have to survive in advance.

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You know, there are teams that make it to the final four who probably aren't the best four teams, but they are at this time and they have survived their games and advanced and a lot of times when you're in the middle of grief and you're struggling with life, maybe there's lots of things going on in your life. There's a lot of days where you just have to survive and advance. You do whatever you got to do to do that. And so that's what the good life is talking about. Hey, in those hard times, survive in advance in those good times, find ways to be.

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to be better and make great strides today more than you did yesterday. And so that's how the Gooder Life came about. It's a filter that I look at life through and encourage other people to look at life through. What can I do today to be better than I was yesterday? So that's how it came about. My uncle gave me that and it stuck with me. And also in the bottom of the title I put, because you know, my name is Kendall Layman, the Gooder Life in Layman's terms.

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That's just kind of how I've been throughout my life. I tell stories. My kids were always saying, Oh dad, not another story. But you know, I've always felt like when you tell a story, it's relatable. And, uh, it's something that people can understand. It's, it's my way of drawing a picture, uh, making an analogy of, of, and teaching a lesson of something I want somebody to understand. That's how it came about. Yeah. I think telling stories is good. My, uh, wife's father.

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He passed away about a year ago, almost two years ago, but that's what he did. He always told all these stories all the time. And sometimes you're like, as you got older, you get repeating them. But if you listen to them, they had a lot of good behind them and a lot of truth behind them and a lot of life lessons. And so that's much like your book here. Can you give us, what are the top three essential attitudes that people will find in the good of life? Yeah. So I talk about starting out with.

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You know, throughout my life after my uncle told me to choose good or good, or I began to watch people and see what separated people from other people at work, at friends, at parents. What were the ones that I looked at and admired, and what made them different than other people? And I began to notice that there were some essential things that people had that were common. And so in my book, I call those three essential attitudes.

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and they are thankful, humble, and respectful. And what I found is that those people that were kind of living this gooder life, living this set apart life, being different than other people around them, they always had the thankful attitude. And you know, last year I went through a pretty hard time in my life with just stuff going on at work. I was struggling with things and I'm not a down person. I'm always a pretty upbeat person.

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But I just found myself just struggling each day to do the things I needed to do. And I began to practice a concept that I talked about in my book that my son did, actually, back when he was in high school. My son went and played college football at a school and he had to have a certain grade on his ACT test in order to get academic scholarship and athletic scholarship together.

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And I read something online one time that said, if you can have your child each night write down three things that they're thankful for, it will change their mindset and they'll do better on the ACT. Well, he studied, he did a bunch of other things but we also had him do that. He ended up getting the score he needed to get. But I remembered that last year when I was struggling. And so each morning when I would get up, I would just sit and I would think, what am I thankful for?

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And I would think, you know, I'm thankful for my job. I'm thankful for my family. I'm thankful for a roof over my head. I'm thankful that I've got food to eat. And each day I would go through everything and maybe some days there'd be new ones that I would think of. It was interesting because what I found is that during that time of being thankful, I wasn't focusing on myself. I was focusing on other things. It was an exercise in perspective. I was seeing things differently when I was being thankful. And so that...

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That was a good tool to help pull me out of my just kind of funk that I was in last year. And then being humble is just not being arrogant and understanding that there's a lot of good people around you, especially as a leader in the position I'm in. I couldn't do what I do without the good people around me in the environment we live in and work in and clear roadblocks for them and help them be more efficient. And then just being respectful of all people. You know, we've always heard that.

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Good leaders will treat the janitor the same way they'll treat the president of a company. And that's just kind of being that respectful in life of everyone around you. I think we've lost a lot of that respectfulness, unfortunately, in our world today. And, you know, even road rage, you know, somebody cuts in front of you and I'm going to go after them instead of just saying, hey, they may have something going on in their lives that they need to go fast for. And it doesn't really bother me.

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We've just lost that respectfulness in life. But those are the three things that I found seem to be common among those people that set apart were set apart from other people. Yeah, I do agree. You know, respectfulness, especially what the things, some things that happen through the pandemic, certain leadership changes you've seen it kind of deteriorate. I let you remind people all the time, but you just said we never know what somebody is going through. I mean, if you're getting, if they're cussing you out, I mean, I work, you know, in sales and sometimes people just come in and just want to.

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cuss me out and I look at it like, can you not really cussing at me? So, you know, what's the issue? What can I help you today? So I totally agree with that. Um, a hundred percent. We need to get back to that respectfulness that we once had. Give us some building blocks and some principles found in the book. Yeah. So, um, I talked about the essential attitudes and then, um, I, I enjoy building with my hands. In fact, right now my wife and I are, are building a little apartment inside a storage building. It's the.

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It's a mini barn dominium that's kind of popular right now and we're doing it ourselves. I love to do that. And so I thought about if the essential attitudes are kind of the foundation in our lives that everyone needs to have to give them that solid start, then how do we build on that? And I began to also look across people again and I noticed that people who had a purpose seem to be ahead in life.

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maybe different than some people who were just going through the motions and people who listen. You know, I've done a lot of studying on communication and when you talk about communication, you think of talking what we're doing right here. But you know, there's probably more about communication and listening and understanding someone. You just made a comment, you know, that someone treats you poorly when you're in sales. Sometimes maybe they just need to be listened to instead of talked to.

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And then being a thinker and there was a Nobel prize winner, Albert Schweitzer was once asked, what's wrong with men today? And he replied, they simply don't think. Unfortunately, I think we're kind of in that. I think it goes along with respect, just thinking about what's going on and having some critical thinking, being aware, making good choices, and then finally finishing the job. So I came up with six building blocks and those are once again, purpose, listen, thinking.

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being aware, making good choices, and then finishing the job. You know, I think if someone, especially, you know, we have interns that come and work at our company in the summer and I always talk to them. And I tell them, if you guys can incorporate these things in your life, you'll be one of those people that in your career, people will want you to come work for them. They'll want you to come do things for them because you will be different than everyone else because unfortunately, I think these things that I'm talking about.

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were not that uncommon years ago. Maybe they were, maybe I was too young to notice it, but it feels like we've lost some of this. And if you go back to just the basics of doing this, the right things in your job, you look different today and people want you. I had the essential attitudes and the six building blocks and that's what kind of my book is built around. So what kind of person do you think this book mostly applies to?

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You know, that is a great question because I could say that it would be leaders in people who are in leadership positions. But then at the same time, if it's just helping someone be better today than they were yesterday, it could be a student. It could be a mom. It could be a dad. You know, in the book, I have a chapter that talks about success. How are you successful?

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You know, in the world today, we look at people who are successful by having a nice car, a big house, nice salary, live the life. And we look at them and we say, wow, wouldn't it be great to be like them? They are successful. But I think that we're defining success wrong. There was a man named Earl Nightingale who wrote a book years ago back in the 50s called The Strangest Secret. I'd recommend it to anyone. It's a great book.

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But he says that success is simply a person working toward a predetermined goal and knowing where they're going and when they get there. And if you look at that, then I'm gonna tell you the person working at the corner store, if that's what they truly want to do, and they go do that to the best of their ability every day, they're successful. If a mom truly wants to be a mom at home with her kids,

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and she wants to raise them to be the best people they can be. And that's what she's doing daily. She's successful. If it's a president of a company who is thankful and humble and respectful and goes in each day wanting to serve the people that work for him and he does that, he's successful. And so that spans across all people at all levels. That's who the book's for.

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I think it can be targeted towards certain groups, but I think it can be that broad also across all of those people. And I drew a good you on that because, you know, I used to tell my kids all the time, everybody looks at the job, like you said, as a success. And I said, we need everybody in every job that you see. You need the person that works fast food. We need the person that does construction. We need the one that cleans the office. I tell them, you can work a job that pays you a million dollars a month.

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But if you're not happy in that job, it doesn't matter how much money you make because more than 85% of all lives is spent working. Once we learn to respect the role that everybody plays, we'll be a greater world, I believe. Oh, I agree with you completely. And you know, there's a place for everyone. And unfortunately, it is the world that has created this vision that we have of classes.

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When really if we'll just drop that and just look at people as individuals. I took a, I took a business class one time when I was in college and the teacher came in on the first night and he said, everybody knows the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. If we would all follow that, we don't need this class we're in right here where we're going to talk about business law and, and, and different things that people have done and how they had litigation against this and that.

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That would all be gone if we would just treat people the way we want to be treated. And unfortunately we've lost that. And now we are what we're doing. And so that's partly my passion is to spread this message. And if, you know, one person hears the message and says, you know what, I need to change my life and I need to do some of these things. Or I get the book and I read it and I follow some of that. And it makes them be a more thankful person or a humble person and respectful person.

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then I've done my job. And when I went to write this book, I just had a bunch of stuff in my head and I needed to get it out. And I had a great publisher in McKinney, Texas. And she told me, she said, Kendall, if I told you right now that you were going to touch one person and change their lives, would you go to all of this trouble of writing the book and putting it out? And I said, I would. And she said, then you need to write the book. You know, if we all approached life every day,

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If I'm going to get up today and I hope to touch one person, and if I touch one person's life and make it better, then today was a successful day. If we all had that in mind, what a different world we would live in. I look at it the same way. You know, I do this show for educational purposes to bring true crime, some of the cases we should never forget. And to bring people like you on the show who are great authors, nobody's ever heard, and I was asked the same question. I said, yes, if I only had one person that ever listened to my show the whole time I've done it.

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It's worth me getting up every day doing these episodes because somebody's getting something out of it. I think we're too hung up on oh, you got to have a million people or you got to have a certain percent. I don't even look at numbers, right? I had a friend that wrote me the other day. He said hey man, your Podcast is trending in the top one percent globally. You know that i'm like, I don't look at numbers So I don't know that i'm just looking at reaching people So I do agree with that What have you learned from writing the good life in lamest terms? you know, um

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As you were talking right there, I was just thinking every day we learn something new. I'm trying to be better every day at being a dad, at being a husband, at being a leader at work. I try to get better every day. In those days of getting better, we are gaining knowledge, hopefully. And we are learning things. We've talked about learning something new every day. By doing this book.

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It was one of the hardest things I'd ever done when I thought it would be one of the easiest things. It took me over two years to write it. It's a little book. It's only about a hundred pages. It's an easy read. But by going through all of the things I talk about in that book, it has given me the ability to share what I've learned. And hopefully it's given me the credibility to share what I've learned. You know, if somebody comes up to me and starts telling me, hey, let me tell you how to do this. Then I ask them, so have you ever gone through it? And they say, no.

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then they don't have as much credibility as somebody who has gone through what they're talking about. The things I talk about in the book are things that I've gone through, they're things that I've lived, they're things that I've worked through. The death of my sister working through that grief and going through that process, that has given me the credibility and the ability to talk to someone who is going through loss and to be able to tell them, I don't know exactly what you're going through.

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but I do know what it's like to lose someone that's close to you. You know, when I talk about stories at work, I don't know exactly what your work life is like, but what I do know is that I've been a leader in work for over 30 years. So let me tell you some of the things I've gone through and if some of this helps you, fantastic. And so I think what the book did is just help me culminate a lot of these ideas that were in my mind and bring them together in one place.

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And now to maybe give me the ability to go out and speak to people because I have a book. And, and in the end, if I can just invest myself into people's lives and what I've learned, then I'm extremely happy. Who are you the most passionate about getting the Gooder Life message to? You know, probably right now, David, my passion areas are young people and young leaders.

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Since I've written the book, I've continued to write things down and I've come up with a new term about leadership. I've called it counterfeit leaders and authentic leaders. And what I've learned is that there are a lot of counterfeit leaders in our world right now. Our world has a lot of counterfeit in it, meaning it feels fake. It feels very superficial. It doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of depth to a lot of things that go on in our world right now.

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And I think that people are craving authenticity. They want something that's real. You know, we hide behind a lot of times screen names on Twitter and places like that. And we will say things that we would never say to someone's face. Everything is virtual, it feels like at times. And it just feels like people want something that's real.

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And so if I can make my way to the young people, young leaders in our world and tell them what authentic leadership looks like and what authenticity looks like and what they can strive for, if I can make a difference in some of those kids' lives, that's what I wanna do. And so right now that's kind of where my passion area is. I think my message goes across all of the spectrum like we talked about earlier, but right now that's where I'm kind of.

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focusing in on if I can reach those people, I would love to do that. Do you feel like the generation of young people that we have here, and I have a couple of myself, do you feel like that they have a harder time than what we did when we was growing up? And do you feel like that technology plays a big role in the way that they are right now today? Man, that's a great question, David, because I talk about that all the time. I'm a technology guy. Technology has fed my family and put a roof over my head.

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And so I'm extremely thankful for what technology has done for me and for our world. But I'll also tell you that technology is probably one of the most detrimental things that has happened to our world. Also, when I was a young guy, if you wanted to talk somebody on the phone, there was a one phone in the house and you had to go to that phone. That's how it was. You had to check in from a pay phone or somewhere. If you were out at night and your parents wanted you to call, you had to check in. It forced us to talk.

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face to face. We had to communicate face to face. That's all changed. Yes, I think, you know, our parents probably looked at us and thought, you know, these kids don't know what growing up in the times we grew up in was like. Now here we are as adults looking at the young person generation and saying they don't have a clue what we went through and they don't know the hard times we had to go through. I think every generation is probably like that.

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But I think that, you know, I've had a friend who went to Texas A&M and spoke to some classes of young people. I've been to Auburn, I've been to Clemson. And what you learn is that the young people are looking for authenticity. They want to grasp hold of that. And so when you go in, if you were to go or when I've gone in and talked to them and I say, I'm not going to put a PowerPoint on the wall.

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I'm not gonna have a list of things that I'm gonna go through. I'm just gonna talk to you. And I'm just gonna tell you stories that have happened in my life. And hopefully you can learn from some of these. You can see them lean forward in their seats and they begin to connect with you because they just want somebody to talk to them. And a lot of them have never had that. Yeah, I think their world is different, but maybe not a whole lot different in relativity like ours was, but.

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But I think the fact of losing that connection between people is hurting us. And I think if we can get back to that, we need to. I agree. I was talking to my 20 year old daughter the other day and I told her exactly that. I says, you guys have no connection, no communication. I said, look at all these companies, banks. I have a virtual bank account called Vero. And when you go to sign up for that, they tell you that they do it more for the young people because they don't want to go into a bank. They don't want to wait. It's instant.

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So all I got to do is give you some money. You put it some here and I just trust you to do that. You know, I look across all these services that's coming up. There's a car rental service. I can rent a Tesla. If I want to give you four grand a month, you take care of everything. I said, just the need of connection you guys don't have and don't know. And I hope that you guys find that again. Cause he laughing at me. I'm like, man, we didn't have instant. I said, when I was growing up, we had an eight track tape player.

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in the car, every song had to be good. We had to roll around the block and we want to hear the song again. So there was no forward and back button, back buttons though. So Kendall in, in closing, what do you hope everybody takes away from the gooder life? I hope that everyone, whether they read the book or where they listen to this podcast will maybe first of all, think that, you know, David, your, your podcast.

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had somebody on there and they had a conversation that seemed to understand me. I hope they understand that it's not hard to be different. You know, I told you all ago about a book called The Strangest Secret by Earl Nightingale. In there he quotes a man named Rollo May who was a distinguished psychiatrist. And he said, the opposite of courage in our society is not being a coward, but it's conformity.

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And if you think about that, it takes courage to step out and not just be a follower of the crowd. It takes courage to not conform and just follow this line down a hallway that you don't know where that line is going to. I hope that somebody listened today and said, you know what, that's a funny little thing that guy said, good or life, but hey, it kind of makes sense. So I'm going to try to be good or tomorrow. If one person says that.

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I'm happy. I had a lady who read the book one day and she came back to work after a weekend and I went and saw her and I said, so how are you doing? And she said, man, today's been a day, but I'm just trying to be gooder. I kind of smiled, but I walked away thinking, you know, she got that from my book and that's one person I've touched. So if a person can just try to be better tomorrow than they were today, because of the conversation you and I have had here today.

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then we've done our jobs and I hope that's what happens. Is there anything you'd like to say to any of your fans or readers out there that may be listening today? Man, I, you know, I don't think that I probably have a whole lot of fans, David. I hope I've got a whole lot of people that appreciate what we say, but they probably don't, don't do that. You know, I am extremely thankful for the people who have purchased the book, read the book. I was

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I have been blown away from the messages that I've gotten from people who read the book and found things in it that I never thought were even there. I've had people say, man, what a story about this. Man, you showed a lot of courage in doing this. And I look at my wife and I say, that's not even the reason I wrote the book. The book was not written for that, but they got that out of it. It has just blown my mind. So

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To those people who have purchased the book, thank you so much. And I hope that I've inspired you in one little way. To those people who from this podcast today will buy the book, I hope you get something out of it that makes your life better and enriches your life. You know, it's available on Amazon, Walmart, Books-A-Million everywhere. It's easy to get, it's not expensive, it's a small little read, it won't take you long.

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But I think that the message in it is valuable, can actually change your life. Well, Kendall, I can tell you, from one person to another, it definitely has changed mine. It made me look at a lot of things in a different perspective. It's a book that I am recommending to my colleagues as well. You are doing exactly what you wanna do. You're reaching people, reaching lives, and I'm grateful that you decided to come on my show today, and I know that the listeners here is gonna take a lot from what you had to say today. David, thank you so much. I appreciate you.

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getting us put together and doing this. And I'm always thankful for people who allow me to get the message out. So thank you so much. I appreciate it. Not a problem. You ever want to come back, you know how to get a hold of me, let me know. I'll be happy to have you back on. Okay. Thank you, David.

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All right, guys, that was the awesome Kendall Layman. You can get a copy of the Gooder Life in Layman's terms at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Walmart, and you can also find it at his website, the gooderlifegroup.com. Also, thank you for tuning in. Guys, we couldn't do this show without you. I am grateful that each one of you guys tune in. I hope you got something out of this today. It is something that can change your life if you let it. Hope you guys are all being safe out there.

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