The Whammy That Won: Inside the Press Your Luck Scandal
Michael Larson's extraordinary story is one of brilliance and tragedy, as he famously outsmarted the game show "Press Your Luck" in 1984, winning a staggering $110,237—an unprecedented amount at the time. Larson cracked the show's code by meticulously studying the patterns of the game board and discovering that certain squares never contained a dreaded “whammy,” allowing him to dominate the game like no contestant before. However, his victory was not without controversy, as CBS executives suspected cheating and took drastic measures to prevent similar occurrences in the future. Following his windfall, Larson's life took a dark turn, involving questionable investments and ultimately leading to his untimely death from cancer at the age of 49. This episode explores Larson's rise and fall, highlighting the fine line between genius and greed, and the lasting impact of his actions on game show history.
Takeaways:
- Michael Larson's extraordinary win on Press Your Luck was a blend of intelligence and luck.
- The CBS network was embarrassed by Larson's success, leading to changes in the game show.
- Larson's life took a tragic turn after his game show victory due to poor investments.
- The Press Your Luck scandal illustrates how the game was not as random as believed.
- Larson's story serves as a cautionary tale about greed and lost opportunities.
- His journey from a game show champion to a life of struggles highlights the unpredictability of fortune.
00:00 - Untitled
00:04 - Introduction to True Crime Podcast
02:18 - The Press Your Luck Scandal
07:29 - The Rise of Larson: A Game Changer
14:42 - The Rise and Fall of Michael Larson
20:45 - Reflections on Martin Luther King Jr. Day and the Inauguration
26:54 - The Political Climate and Its Consequences
28:29 - Untitled
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Speaker BAll right, As I try to do at the beginning of every season is I kind of give you a fun case because I know what's coming down the pipeline, and the cases that we're going to get into this year are not going to be as easy as this.
Speaker BSo they have a little bit of fun at the beginning and maybe give you a case that you've never, ever heard of, or maybe you was too young to hear of or you heard of it, but you never really dove deep into it.
Speaker BSo today we're going to dive into one of the most extraordinary and controversial stories in game show history.
Speaker BIt is the press your luck scandal.
Speaker BNow, at the head of this story is Michael Larson, and it is a tale of intelligence, obsession, greed, and ultimate downfall.
Speaker BSo let's press our luck here and get into it.
Speaker BThe year was 1984.
Speaker BRonald Reagan was in the White House.
Speaker BMTV was in his heyday, and Press yous Luck was a hit on cbs.
Speaker BIt was a game show where contestants could win vacations, prizes, and cash by spinning the big board, a ring of 18 flashing squares that seemed to move in a random pattern.
Speaker BContestants would press a button to stop the lights and they were hoping to avoid the dreaded whammy, who was a mischievous animated character that wiped out all of their winnings.
Speaker BBut as it turned out, the Big Boy wasn't as random as it seemed.
Speaker BAnd one man from Ohio figured it out.
Speaker BNow, Pressure Luck is one of my favorite game shows.
Speaker BIt still is.
Speaker BMy mom and I used to watch all the time when I was a kid.
Speaker BThe original host, these hosts that I saw was Peter to Morgan.
Speaker BHe was the original host on that show.
Speaker BAnd unfortunately, he's no longer with us because Peter to Morgan was killed March 13, 2006, in a plane crash.
Speaker BThe show now is currently hosted by Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker BSo you can find it now, I think it's in like the third or fourth new season or something like that.
Speaker BYou can find it on Hulu, but go check out the show.
Speaker BIt is a great show.
Speaker BNow, as we just heard, the board wasn't as random as it seemed, and one man from Ohio was able to figure that out.
Speaker BSo Paul Michael Larson, who was born in Lebanon, Ohio, was a man with a knack for get rich quick schemes.
Speaker BAnd by 1983, he was living with his girlfriend, Teresa Dinwiddie, working odd jobs like air conditioning repair and driving an ice cream truck.
Speaker BBut Larson had bigger dreams.
Speaker BHe spent his spare time studying game shows and scheming ways to make a fortune.
Speaker BSo one night, while watching Press yous Luck, Larson noticed something peculiar.
Speaker BSee, the flashing lights on the Big Boy wasn't random at all.
Speaker BWith the help of a vcr, a cutting edge technology for his time, Larson studied the patterns and discovered there were only five sequences.
Speaker BEven more importantly, he realized that two squares, 4 and 8, never contained a whammy.
Speaker BThey always had cash or an extra spin.
Speaker BSo Larson spent months perfecting his timing, practicing over and over with his VCR's pause button, and he believed he had cracked the code.
Speaker BNow, we're talking back in the 80s, right?
Speaker BSo for those of you young people who don't know what a VCR is, it was kind of a big oblong machine.
Speaker BWe actually had to put these big things in them called videotapes, VCR tapes.
Speaker BYou can find some now.
Speaker BStill, some people sell them.
Speaker BBut this was our way of watching movies or recording shows from TV.
Speaker BThere was no such thing as DVDs.
Speaker BThere was no such thing as CDs, the way we know them.
Speaker BNow, this was the only way of recording.
Speaker BMatter of fact, you probably heard your parents sometimes say, hey, do you have the vcr or do you have the Betamax?
Speaker BThat was another version of the vcr.
Speaker BThen we will record our shows and we will pause and go through them.
Speaker BTechnology, of course, was not as advanced as it was now.
Speaker BSo these game shows have very simplistic boards that if somebody had the net, they can figure that out.
Speaker BAnd in this case, if you've never seen the show, Pressure Luck, like it says, it's just a spinning board.
Speaker BSo you have all of these different things popping in and out of these squares.
Speaker BSome of them are whammies, some of them are cash, some of them are prizes, some of them are trips.
Speaker BYour goal is to hit that button, yell stop, and hopefully that behind that square is not a whammy.
Speaker BIf you do hit a whammy Today, you have $30,000.
Speaker BThe whammy will come and will wipe out all that money.
Speaker BBut if you never hit a whammy, you just continue to pile cash up on your or prizes, whichever one you hit.
Speaker BNow, as he discovered that squares 4 and 8 never contained a whammy, of course, they were not expecting somebody to figure that out.
Speaker BThey always contain extra cash or spin.
Speaker BSo what do you think he was thinking?
Speaker BI know what I've been thinking.
Speaker BCan I come with the way to consistently hit 4 and 8?
Speaker BI will never hit a whammy.
Speaker BI will always win.
Speaker BProducers ain't thinking about this, because no one's cracked this board like this before.
Speaker BSo by May 1984, Larson was ready to test his theory.
Speaker BUsing the last of his money, he flew to Los Angeles and auditioned for Pressure Luck.
Speaker BHis charm and charisma won over the producers, and despite some reservations, they gave him a spot on the show.
Speaker BThe episode was filmed on May 19, 1984.
Speaker BLarson's opponents were Ed Long, a Baptist minister, and Janie Lettres, a dental assistant.
Speaker BSee, at first, Larson's performance was unremarkable.
Speaker BHe hit a whammy early on and had the lowest score going into the second half.
Speaker BBut then the magic began.
Speaker BLarson started to dominate the big board like no one had ever seen.
Speaker BAnd by carefully timing his button presses, he avoided the whammies and landed on squares four and eight repeatedly.
Speaker BHe had hit 29 consecutive winning spins, racking up an unprecedented $102,851 in cash and prizes.
Speaker BWhen all was said and done, Larson's total winnings was $110,237, which is the equivalent to over $323,000 today.
Speaker BNow, what you have to understand is there is a documentary called Pressure Luck.
Speaker BYou can find it on YouTube.
Speaker BThere were some of these Producers, though, when they met Larson that really didn't like him.
Speaker BI think there was even a couple of them that went and said, maybe we should think twice about having this guy on the show.
Speaker BBecause I believe the story that he told on the show when he got on there was that he was just an ice cream man.
Speaker BI think that's what he.
Speaker BI can't remember for a second.
Speaker BI think it's something.
Speaker BIce cream.
Speaker BThere was something else that he did, but he just came off like he was just an average everyday Joe.
Speaker BSome people in the production team, though, was kind of feeling that he was there for shadier purposes, but they went ahead and allowed him on the show.
Speaker BNow, of course, since he's racked up $110,237, I believe at this time, this is the most money that anybody has ever racked up.
Speaker BYou have to understand the way that these game shows are set up.
Speaker BNow, I live in California, where some calls the home of movies.
Speaker BWe have Universal Studios here, which is Universal Studios Hollywood, There's Universal Studios Florida.
Speaker BBut the Hollywood set contains a lot of sets from movies and TV shows.
Speaker BAnd of course, all the game shows mainly is shot here.
Speaker BI have actually been to Hollywood Squares Live, which is shot in the exact same studio of the Price Is Right.
Speaker BSo that's why everybody comes to LA for these things.
Speaker BThey have never seen this kind of winnings before.
Speaker BAnd the way that these shows are set up is you're not supposed to win that much money.
Speaker BAt some point, you're going to smack a whammy.
Speaker BNow, if you ever watch the show, me and my wife, you guys probably get annoyed because there are some people that's just greedy and they want to continue to pressure luck.
Speaker BAnd if you make it around that board about four or five different times and no whammy shows up and you've just racked up about 20, 30,000.
Speaker BThe whammy is on his way.
Speaker BNow, if you never watch this show, let me kind of give you the options that the person that is spinning has.
Speaker BLet's say the person has 20 spins.
Speaker BThat's kind of high.
Speaker BJust go with the number.
Speaker BIf that person makes it through half of Those spins being 10 and has not hit a whammy, Elizabeth will say, all right, here's what you just hit on the board.
Speaker BSo let's say you got the car.
Speaker BOkay, so you just won the car.
Speaker BYou have now a total in your bank of $320,000.
Speaker BDo you want to press your luck or do you want to pass?
Speaker BNow, here's why I say instead of for you not to win any money, you can't just pass those spins to anyone.
Speaker BThose spins has to get passed to the person that has the second highest total.
Speaker BSo if you've got 320,000, the person next to you only has 5,000, and the person on that opposite end has 110,000, your experience is going to go to the $110,000 person.
Speaker BBecause the producers in the game hoping that you are going to whammy on that person, they really want the person with the most money to keep spinning in hopes that that happens.
Speaker BBut if you are smart, you're going to pass them.
Speaker BI guarantee you, within one to two spins, the whammy will show up.
Speaker BSo this is why this is the game of greed.
Speaker BBecause some people like, man, I'm gonna press my luck.
Speaker BAnd I'm sitting here going, your dummy.
Speaker BYou don't run around this board six times, no whammies.
Speaker BWhammy about to come up, and sure enough, whammy hit.
Speaker BSo they start looking around.
Speaker BThey're shocked.
Speaker BMan, he's already hit 110,000.
Speaker BDo we even have 110,000 in the bank to give this person and all these cash and prizes?
Speaker BSo they go on.
Speaker BSo as the producers were stunned and as the game unfolded, CBS executives rushed to the studio convincing Larson must be cheating.
Speaker BBut after reviewing the footage, they realized he had done nothing illegal.
Speaker BLarson has simply outsmarted the game.
Speaker BAnd the episode aired in two parts on June 8th and 11th of 1984, but CBS banned it from being re aired in syndication.
Speaker BThey also revamped the big board, adding 27 new patterns to prevent anyone else from exploding the system.
Speaker BPeople.
Speaker BBecause this was an embarrassment.
Speaker BThis was an embarrassment to cbs.
Speaker BNow Larson did nothing, but now CBS is on the hook to have to give him all this money.
Speaker B$110,000.
Speaker BAnd believe me, you'll hear here in a minute, they're gonna do everything they can not to have to pay him that 110,000.
Speaker BBut in your mind, think this.
Speaker BI'll ask you, do you think that Larson was cheating?
Speaker BI don't.
Speaker BI think he just figured out this simple board.
Speaker BIt's not his fault that they made this board crackable.
Speaker BIt's not his fault that they didn't think that one day somebody would figure out squares 4 and 8 had no whammy in it.
Speaker BIt ain't his fault that he decided, hey, I'm just gonna sit at home and I'm gonna practice it in VCR and see if I can make it.
Speaker BHe's already proved to you that he wasn't cheating and that his plan wasn't 100% foolproof if he didn't concentrate, because his first spin, I believe it was, he hit the whammy and had the lowest score going into the second round.
Speaker BIn that round, he found his rhythm.
Speaker BHe found we had to hit the button every time.
Speaker BAnd there you have it.
Speaker BNow, they did everything they could have to pay him, but eventually they said, okay, he did no wrongdoing, and they gave Michael Larson All $110,237 in cash and prizes, mostly in cash.
Speaker BBut see, after he won, after his victory, after what I believe was the biggest victory in TV game show history, Larson's life took a dark turn.
Speaker BHe spent much of his winnings on questionable investments, including a real estate Ponzi scheme.
Speaker BHe even withdrew $100,000 in $1 bills to try to win a radio contest.
Speaker BThat cash was later stolen from his girlfriend's home in a still unsolved burglary.
Speaker BPeople, let me give you a piece of advice.
Speaker BIf you win a hundred and ten thousand or any like that, don't go pulling out 100 grand put in your house.
Speaker BHe left it in his house.
Speaker BOne night, they all went out to eat, and he left a double bag full of $1 bills that was $100,000 in the middle of his living room.
Speaker BI think at some point his wife even said something to him or his girlfriend.
Speaker BI'm sorry, even said something to him like, don't we want to take this with us?
Speaker BOr, you know, don't you want to lock it?
Speaker BHe said, nope, I think we gonna be fine.
Speaker BHere's the one thing for all of us to remember.
Speaker BSomebody's always watching us.
Speaker BAnd I believe the way this unfolded was somebody was watching him.
Speaker BYou know, it said he made qu investments.
Speaker BThe way that Michael Larson looked to me was he was the kind of person that really couldn't keep his mouth shut.
Speaker BHe probably ran around, was talking about all the winnings he got, but better yet, it was on national tv.
Speaker BSo everybody knew that he already won all this money.
Speaker BSo I believe that somebody was lying in wait.
Speaker BSomebody probably saw him carry a duffel bag in one day, and they said, one day when he ain't there, we gonna go on and see if we get lucky.
Speaker BAnd that's what happened.
Speaker BThey broke into his house or his girlfriend's house, stole the duffel bag that had a hundred thousand dollars in it.
Speaker BAnd until this day, that burglary or what actually happened is still unsolved.
Speaker BSo by 1995, Larson was under investigation for running a fraudulent multi level marketing scheme.
Speaker BFacing charges from the FBI, the rs, he fed Ohio and went into hiding.
Speaker BHe died unfortunately of throat cancer in 1999 alone in Apopka, Florida at the age of 49.
Speaker BMichael Larson's story is one of brilliance and tragedy.
Speaker BHe outsmarted one of the most popular game shows of all time.
Speaker BBut his insatiable greed and pension for schemes ultimately led to his downfall.
Speaker BTo some, he's a folk hero, a David who beat Goliath.
Speaker BTo others, he's a cautionary tale.
Speaker BHis story has inspired documentaries, books and even a 2024 film titled the Luckiest man in America, starring Paul Walter Holzer as Larson.
Speaker BBut no matter how you view him, one thing is clear.
Speaker BMichael Larson left an indelible mark on game show history.
Speaker BNow, I know that you would kind of think that because of the way that it happened that maybe they don't talk about Michael Arsenal anymore or maybe it is a piece of a history they rather forget.
Speaker BI can tell you that's far from the truth.
Speaker BIf you go and look up this documentary and I'll leave a link to it in the bottom of the show notes here, you'll see at the end of that, they did call back everybody, the people that was on the show with Marco Larson, even I think one of the two producers came back.
Speaker BUnfortunately no Peter to Morgan because he's already passed.
Speaker BBut they came back and talked about what happened the day he was on the show with Michael Larson.
Speaker BThey even had a replica of the old board the way that it was.
Speaker BAnd then they showed the contestants from years ago what the new board looked like.
Speaker BNow that thing runs like 27 squares and so many thousands of patterns.
Speaker BSo now it would.
Speaker BYou would have to actually cheat now at this point in time and the way that this is set up to actually do the same thing that he did again, it is something that I don't think will ever, ever be repeated at all.
Speaker BBecause it's impossible with today's technology for that to happen.
Speaker BIf something like that happens again, then he's either inside job or somebody really messed up on the programming.
Speaker BSo what do you guys think?
Speaker BHave you ever heard of that case before?
Speaker BIt is very true.
Speaker BIt is one that I've always wanted to cover.
Speaker BSo here it is.
Speaker BGo look it up for yourself.
Speaker BI have not seen the 2024 film titled the Luckiest man in America.
Speaker BThat is now my plan because I would like to see you know the take they took on it.
Speaker BAnd I always like to know if they tell the truth in these things.
Speaker BI know some things are sensational lies, but you gotta have that ounce of truth in there.
Speaker BAll right here at closing, I think I said I was going to come back and kind of have a couple of words of encouragement as we go into this new year.
Speaker BI think I did make mention at the beginning that I was recording this on what I consider and many others does consider a historic day, January 20, 2025, which is Martin Luther King's Day.
Speaker BSo I know that Martin Luther King's birthday is on January 15th, but I think the way that was set up is that we were celebrated on the second Monday of January, which leads us to the 20th.
Speaker BIt has not been missed on me that today was also the inauguration of Donald Trump.
Speaker BSo let me tell you why I stand on that and kind of give you guys a couple of words of encouragement, if I can, before we get out of here.
Speaker BI know there's some people that's happy.
Speaker BI know there's some people that's sad.
Speaker BI know there's a lot of people that boycotted the inauguration.
Speaker BI did not watch it myself.
Speaker BI do also know that some people was mad because it fell on Martin Luther King's birthday.
Speaker BOf course, I heard the this would have been perfect if Kamala Harris would have won because of the day that it is.
Speaker BNow, what I want you guys to understand about Martin Luther King Day is this.
Speaker BIt is not a day that came easy or free.
Speaker BHis monument certainly was not free.
Speaker BIf you guys go look over that, we as a black people had to fight for Martin Luther King's birthday.
Speaker BThe black Americans did start that.
Speaker BThere was a number of white Americans, there's a number of Asians and a number of other nationalities that joined in to get this done.
Speaker BBut it was a few years, I want to say, between two and five years of commercials of.
Speaker BDo you want to donate?
Speaker BTo get the monument made, they had to raise X amount of money.
Speaker BDon't quote me on this.
Speaker BIt's been a long time already, but I think it's like 50% or so that they had to raise before the government would even consider putting in the rest.
Speaker BSo when you go to see Martin Luther King's monument, that is down from the Lincoln Memorial.
Speaker BDon't even think that the government is by their own free will.
Speaker BMartin Luther King Jr.
Speaker BWas so great.
Speaker BThey gave him this monument.
Speaker BNo, that was a lot of perseverance on black Americans to get that done.
Speaker BAnd he deserved to have that.
Speaker BNow, there's other monuments in Atlanta that's not far down from Ebenezer Baptist Church, which is the church that he was over.
Speaker BYou know, they're beautiful monuments of just running water that's coming down.
Speaker BI tell you guys.
Speaker BAll that to say this since Martin Luther King was around and before he died and after.
Speaker BIt has been a struggle when it comes to African Americans in the 40 years.
Speaker BNow, Martin Luther King Jr.
Speaker BWould have been 96 years old this year.
Speaker BSo I want to take this number.
Speaker BHis day has only been around for 40 years.
Speaker BIn 40 years, his celebration day has only coincided with the president's inauguration.
Speaker BNow, three times, believe it happened when Obama was sworn in.
Speaker BIt happened once when Clinton was sworn in.
Speaker BAnd now when Donald Trump is here, here's the encouragement I'm going to give you guys.
Speaker BThe time for what could have happened is over.
Speaker BThe time for what took place in November is done.
Speaker BThe time for.
Speaker BWe feel that the election was rigged.
Speaker BI'm just gonna call it a spade, a spade.
Speaker BWe, a lot of us, not just black people, a lot of scholars, a lot of staticians, a lot of white people that I know feel that it's rigged.
Speaker BAnd I know Trump is.
Speaker BOh, it was a joke.
Speaker BIt was no joke.
Speaker BHe actually just stood up at one of his rallies, admitted that, in fact, the election was rigged.
Speaker BWe can't do anything about that now.
Speaker BAll we can do as a people is stick together.
Speaker BAnd there's a lot of racism that is here.
Speaker BThere's a lot of racism that is coming.
Speaker BIt's always funny to me.
Speaker BPeople tell me to go back to where I came from, came from here.
Speaker BYour ancestors, if you're white, ended that for me when they put my ancestors on a boat and drug us over here from Africa.
Speaker BI'm 52, never been to Africa a day in my life.
Speaker BBut my ancestors is the one that built this beautiful place called America, that White House that now only one black person has lived up underneath.
Speaker BDonald Trump's going to sleep up under that mug starting tonight and all the other presidents.
Speaker BIt was built by the hands of African Americans.
Speaker BAnd that building still stands better than many other buildings does.
Speaker BSo know your culture, know your history.
Speaker BI can only tell you mine because they want to end critical race theory.
Speaker BWhat that means is anything that opposes what the white man believes is, quote, unquote, unharmful.
Speaker BThey want to.
Speaker BThey want to remove it.
Speaker BI've heard things like, young white kids is feeling guilty because of slavery, and they shouldn't have to look at that, okay, well, young black kids shouldn't have to go read a book about the King.
Speaker BAnd when you open it up, the first thing you see is an old black woman getting hosed down by a fireman because he was racist.
Speaker BSee how that works in tandem?
Speaker BI just got through watching the Martin Luther King celebration that was held at Ebenezer Baptist Church by way of the King Center.
Speaker BDr.
Speaker BKing and Coretta Scott King's youngest daughter, Dr.
Speaker BBernice King, runs that place, and she gave a very good sermon.
Speaker BSo all I could tell you for encouragement is this.
Speaker BWhether you voted for Donald Trump, whether you didn't, I don't know whether you're happy, whether you sad.
Speaker BWe as America now has to stick together to make sure our democracy and humanity stays where we wanted to as Americans.
Speaker BThere is now a lot of people that voted for Trump that is now regretting it.
Speaker BThey're now seeing where it's going.
Speaker BI read tweets all day about it.
Speaker BI watch YouTube videos all day about it.
Speaker BThere's a number of divorces.
Speaker BProblem is, you can't change your vote if you wanted to.
Speaker BAll we can do is stand up in the face of Donald Trump if he does everything that he says that he's going to do.
Speaker BNow, to his credit, we don't know this yet, right?
Speaker BWe are just now day one, starting on Tuesday.
Speaker BTom Holman has already sworn he's going to Chicago to march out and start deporting people.
Speaker BSo I can say, let's sit back and see what's going to happen.
Speaker BBut in the case that these things do happen, you have to hold on to your humanity, your dignity and your faith, because as a Christian, I believe this.
Speaker BNothing he can do to me.
Speaker BThere's a God that I serve that says high looks low.
Speaker BThere's a God that controls everything Donald Trump does.
Speaker BAnd sometimes people mistake God for being an evil God, because why would you let these happens?
Speaker BRead your Bible.
Speaker BThe Bible's already told you all of these things are going to take place, down to the letter where we are right now, even down to the pandemic.
Speaker BIf you want to read deep enough, he's already told you that he's by your side the whole time.
Speaker BBut that trial and tribulations has to happen.
Speaker BSo for me, I stand tall on my Christian belief.
Speaker BI stand tall on the fact that there is a God that says high looks low.
Speaker BAnd I stand tall on the fact that Donald Trump can't do nothing to me or any of us or anybody if you have that belief.
Speaker BSo I'm not a political channel.
Speaker BA lot of political people you can go listen to.
Speaker BI can recommend some for you, but all I can tell you is just hold on.
Speaker BLet's see what happens.
Speaker BLet's fight the fights that we need to fight.
Speaker BLet's let the ones go that we don't.
Speaker BIf he does everything that he says that he's going to do, in my opinion, I think we only have to last this out for the remaining of 2025, because in 2026 it is the primaries.
Speaker BAnd if he does do what he says he's going to do, then I think that you're going to see control of the Senate and the government as a whole will change back into Democratic hands where he will be shackled.
Speaker BWe'll see if he learned anything from 2020, but I don't know.
Speaker BOkay, so that's all I can tell you guys.
Speaker BThat's all I wanted to say.
Speaker BI'm not gonna get over political, but let's just see what happens.
Speaker BAnd if it does happen, no matter what color you are, white people, black people, Asian people, Indian people, no matter what, sexual orientation, gay, straight, lesbian, transgender.
Speaker BWe're going to have to have to all stick together to make sure that all of us still have equal rights and can still live in this place that we call America.
Speaker BThe home of the free, the land of the brave.
Speaker BAll right, so that's all for this episode for today.
Speaker BI want to thank you for joining me as I unravel the fascinating story of Michael Larson and the pressure luxe scandal.
Speaker BDon't forget to subscribe and leave a review and if there's a story you would like me to cover, send me a message.
Speaker BAnd as always, I know you have many choices in True crime and interview podcast.
Speaker BI am grateful that for the last three years almost now that you've chosen me and you have been listening to the only three faceted podcast of its kind.
Speaker BBe good to yourself and each other.
Speaker BAnd always remember, always stay humbled.
Speaker BAn act of kindness can make someone's day.
Speaker BA little love and compassion can go a long way.
Speaker BAnd remember that there is an extraordinary person in all of us.
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